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Old January 26, 2010, 4:09 am
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Question Bullish play with limited risk

I was reading about EIUL (Equity Index Universal Life) Insurance policies. They seem to be constructed to track the Dow or S&P500 with a floor at 0% gain and a ceiling at say 16% say per year.

I was thinking how do they actually construct such a trade? I can see buying the index and putting on a 1 year put option at the strike price you bought the index at. That would work in most situations, but how are they making money if your ceiling is so high 15%?

Most years the S&P might not go up above 15% so then the company is not keeping much of a gain and is passing you everything. Also they have to pay for the cost of the put.

Anyone know how they run that business? Maybe it is done not as a Stock purchase + put, but some other way?

I wonder because I am trying to construct a similar trade.

I am bullish on EEM and think in the next 12 months it will increase by 10% or more.

Investment horizon: 10 - 12 months
Gain Sought: 10% - 15%
Risk Tolerance: 5% or less
Trade idea:
Buy 100 EEM @
  • 39.90
  • Buy 1 SEP 2010
38 PUT @ 3.40

Total Cost of 100 Shares: 39.95 + 3.40 = 43.35 / share

To reach 10% increase on account, need EEM to hit 47.69 (increase of 19% on current price).

Max Loss is: 1.95 a share (4.88%)

How could I better construct such a trade if I am very conservative with the money but bullish on an index? This money would be used as down payment for a house in about 12 months time or so.
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Old January 26, 2010, 6:27 am
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I have a similar insurance investment tied to the S&P500. If S&P 500 goes up 10%, I do not get the entire 10%, only a portion of it.
Have a good day.
Chuck
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Old January 26, 2010, 10:26 am
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Let's do this

Buy IWM 100 shares today @$61.72, sell strangle Jan 2011 62.00 for $12.57
buy Jan 2010 put 48 for 2 at $2.48, max loss is 12% Max profit is 15% if the
market is going up you don't have to worry for the loss
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Old January 26, 2010, 10:27 am
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Let's do this

Buy IWM 100 shares today @$61.72, sell strangle Jan 2011 62.00 for $12.57
buy Jan 2011 put 48 for 2 at $2.48, max loss is 12% Max profit is 15% if the
market is going up you don't have to worry for the loss
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